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  • Can the ASF-X compete with aircraft like the T-50 PAK FA? The ASF-X is an end-of-tree plane, but it's not as far down the tree as the T-50.

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    • According to the start stats, it's speed is very low, at the E+ range, along with defense. It dosen't seem fast enough to be able to compete with the other aircraft. But that might change. As it levels up, we might see an improvment.

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    • As the F-35B starts with a total D speed, and ends on level 10 with B+, the Shinden will most likely end at B, or even C+ if it's really unlucky.

      So, a level 10 Shinden will have the speed of a level 1 F-15 S/MTD or F-22. The Shinden is a 725 Cst plane just because of the (rest of) its stats; it's actually at the same level as the Rafale and F-15E, a mid-tier plane. But these two are a better choice than the Shinden because of their -much- superior speed. If you want a good multirole, get the SU-47, Morgan or Vent d'Ange. Even the F-35B is better than the ASF-X.

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    • It can compete. There are two factors that people forget about.

      1. It's the player who uses it for example someone in an f-4 probably gets more kills than a raptor or pak fa.

      2. And there are also parts u can use to tune the Shinden to make it faster, armored, etc. 

      So the plane can compete you just have to compensate for its weaknesses

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    • Also, according to the Japanese info page on it, it levels up really nicely...

      at lvl 8 its speed is already at B.... the stats look -really- balanced.

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    • So, it becomes the same as the F-35B in terms of speed B+ at level 10, maybe A if Namco was particularly forgiving. It still loses to its competitor Morgan, Berkut, Vent d'Ange and S/MTD, that reach S and S+ in speed at level 10. And speed is an incredibly important factor.

      It's also worth noting that the Shinden mounts 6AAM, LASM and GPB as secondary weapons. The first two are also mounted on the Vent d'Ange, the third on the F-35B. So there's nothing really special about the Shinden.

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    • Krescentwolf wrote:
      Also, according to the Japanese info page on it, it levels up really nicely...

      at lvl 8 its speed is already at B.... the stats look -really- balanced.


      where can I find this info page you speak off? can you leave a link to it?

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    • For the Japanese wiki:

      http://gwiki.orz.hm/acinf/%E6%A9%9F%E4%BD%93/ASF-X


      Also, Alessio, comparing the Shinden to limited edition craft like the Morgan and the Vent Rafale isn't really fair. The Berkut, however, is obiously going to be higher tiered, being at the very end of the tree. As I see it, the Shinden is around the same level as the F35, which is a fair assessment.


      Also, if speed is that big an issue, remember that the Acceleration+ (L) mod is on the same line as the Shinden. Assuming the LVL10 spd ranking is even B+, that mod would boost it to atleast A/A+... It may not be S or anything but that's still really nice.

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    • Nope, the Top Speed+ L is on the same spot of the Shinden, Acceleration+ L is right before the SU-37. Anyway, I prefer using an already fast plane (Vent d'Ange, that gets an S in top speed on level 10) and use the equipment slots for something more useful. Wasting two out of seven precious slots for acceleration&top speed is just, well, a waste.

      Anyway, let's compare the level 9 stats for the Shinden (according to that Japanese wiki) and the F-35B: The Shin has B, A+, B+, B+, B+, A, while the F-35 has B+, A, B+, B+, B+, A. So, the difference is quite the same as the T-50 vs F-22; Shinden is slower but more maneuverable, and mounts different weapons. That would make sense if there weren't FIVE better planes than them.

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    • What's wrong with the Shinden comparing favorably to other aicraft in its tier? We'll have to wait for the cst 750 aircraft that'll be put beyond the Shinden before we can mak fair comparisons to things like the Su-47, T-50, etc...

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    • There will be no other plane after the Shinden. Not every line will end in a 750-Cst aircraft. The F-35B, Shinden and F-15S/MTD mark the end of their respective lines, and are considered end-tier aircraft.

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    • The shinden is a plane that sacrifices speed for maneuverability and power.

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    • Just depends on how you use it, and how much you want to upgreade it, but I got an S rank last night using my shinden against a couple of high tier aircraft. Was a close match but I still got MVP, it was on a Stonehenge assault too

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    • We are comparing the aircraft to its competitors, you can't use your personal experience alone to judge it.

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    • SuperJaws100 wrote: Can the ASF-X compete with aircraft like the T-50 PAK FA? The ASF-X is an end-of-tree plane, but it's not as far down the tree as the T-50.

      Looks to me like we were seeing if it could compete with end of tree planes, such as the T-50. Sometimes personal experience is more valid an opinion than a couple of bars in a stat sheet. The reality of the matter is, if you have somebody in a level 10 F-22 (Or T-50 for those of us OCD about keeping the thread on topic), and you are in a level 1 Shinden, you are going to have a tough time keeping up with them. The shindens statistics make it pretty obvious that it isn't the speediest aircraft in the game when compared to end of tree planes, but it's also a multirole craft not developed specifically for air to air combat, which means it isn't geared specifically towards Air Intercept missions. My shinden is currently level 6, and based on the statistics tree, you will lose everytime you encounter a higher tier craft, but based on personal experience, it can hold its own against F-22's and T-50's alike if you utilize it properly Also, do yourself a favor, Don't sortie in Co op with the thing until you unlock LASM's

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    • So, all I've heard so far is "It has poor speed and armor." But is the mobility and attack power worth the loss of speed and armor?

      EDIT: So based on my calculations, the Shinden II is inferior to the T-50 and the F-22A, but it costs a lot less and requires a lot less research time. It is not the best of the best, but it certainly isn't bad either. And its Level 1 weapon is a 6AAM. It's not a replacement for an end of tree aircraft, but it can certainly substitute until I can get the SU-47 or a T-50.

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    • The better question is how will the ASF-X -Ridgebacks- compare. Granted most of us wont be getting that but it will be rank 750 at least, theoretically putting on par with the Morgan, Su-47, F-22, and T-50.

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    • Alessio Omega wrote:
      There will be no other plane after the Shinden. Not every line will end in a 750-Cst aircraft. The F-35B, Shinden and F-15S/MTD mark the end of their respective lines, and are considered end-tier aircraft.

      What a load of nonsense. Bandai-Namco will be filling out this tree until every branch has end-game craft beyond Captain as well as F-15J and F-14D offshoots here and there. They're going to pad this thing HARD. 

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    • Metal Sphere wrote:
      Alessio Omega wrote:
      There will be no other plane after the Shinden. Not every line will end in a 750-Cst aircraft. The F-35B, Shinden and F-15S/MTD mark the end of their respective lines, and are considered end-tier aircraft.
      What a load of nonsense. Bandai-Namco will be filling out this tree until every branch has end-game craft beyond Captain as well as F-15J and F-14D offshoots here and there. They're going to pad this thing HARD. 

      Perhaps we'll even see non-superweapon aircraft like the XFA-27 and X-02 in the tech tree. After all, since they don't have lasers and burst missiles (like the FALKEN and Fenrir) they should be okay to put in (like with the ASF-X).

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    • I would love to see the wyvern added in as an end of tree aircraft.

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    • If they add the X-02 I hope it is a 750


      Eh, I guess that was redundant to the post above.

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    • I use the ASF-X lvl 5 as my main aircraft, it will definitely hold its own, I'm MVP at least 50% of the time in my sorties. You sacrifice a bit of speed for maneuverabiltiy, but I would argue that's far more important in dogfights anyway. Plus, the 6AAM lets you chase down large packs for massive damage (esp. w/Special Weapon Upgrade L - 40-50 shots). There are definitely better planes available, but this one can take you a long way and is fun as hell to fly in.

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    • iii love the asf-x the speed may be down but the mobility and power are aamazing. I have a lot of lVl 10 plains that are way faster but tthey all turn like carp compared to the asf-x. This is 1 0f the top 3 plains in infinity and my most favorite. You can out turn any plain aand 1 shot almost every plain with regd missiles and 6arms if built right the only plains I can't 1 shot are t 50 yr 23 

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    • So this is years later but the ASF-X was my primary 1500cst multirole for the duration of my time in Ace Combat Infinity. It's officially one of my favorite aircraft from the franchise. I really like the LASMs in Infinity and this is a good platform for them. It's also very comfortable to fly, even if it's not the fastest. It's not a fighter though, you have to equip it so that it can output a lot of damage quickly to orange targets. That's how I did well in it. Now that my time in Infinity is essentially at an end, I can honestly say I'm glad I invested in getting it up to a good level (I ended at 9).

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