Much like DarkFlame588, I favor older planes. Tops would be a SAAB j35 Draken, A7 Corsair (both Shin planes), F100 super saber, maybe an f-21 Kfir and my second fave attacker (fighter/bomber) next to the A-10, the GR4 Tornado! That being said the x-02 and Falken are awsome as well. Just a thought, picture a TDM with no or very limited count std missiles, just older planes and guns!
The CFA-44, X-02, Tornado GR4, J35 Draken, and Falken wouldn't really be new, I was thinking more planes that haven't appeared in the games yet. A-7, F-111, F-104, F-100, and F-21 Kfir are good suggestions. The F-101 Voodoo, F-8 Crusader, F-105 Thunderchief, A-4 Skyhawk, and MiG-23 Flogger are some other aircraft of the era that would be great.
The Aurora I totally agree on. Tip-of-the-atmosphere combat with a mix of real world and fictional X-planes could be interesting.
I agree with you. I'd actually love to see a Vietnam-era Ace Combat-style game. Maybe they could do somehing new with it and have it where the player performs different types of missions. Such as letting the player fly the SR-71 in a risky surveillance mission, pilot the B-52 in a dangerous, flak-filled, bombing run, take an F-4 in close for an urgent, napalm-filled Close-Air-Support (CAS) mission, and (of course) take on those dirty Commies in the clouds above in a Cold War-era fighter.
I know I'd definitely like to see them bring the X-02 back. It was my favorite of the fictional planes.
I would say that there isn't much likelihood of many Vietnam or earlier era craft, given the timeline in this game. They would have to go way too far in boosting their performance or gimping the performance of everything else to make it competive. If you're talking about a new game, you'd have to start maxing the plane tree somewhere around the F-15C/Su-27/MiG-29 to keep from puting the top tier too far ahead of the bottom tier. The F-117A would suddenly become a special plane, possibly the F-15E/Su-33.
The alternative would be to compress the performance scope even further than it already is. There technically shouldn't be as much ability for the F-14 to compete with the F-22 as there is in the current games. If you start adding stuff like the Sabre or the Corsair, they either become highly ineffectual relative to anything already in the game, of you suddenly have no incentive to play into the game and target the F-22 unless you just really like it, because the F-14 would be nearly indestinguishable.
This is a fun exercise, but in reality they aren't likely to add anything to Infinity much more capable than the X-02 or the R-101 Delphinius, and probably not anything at all on the lower end since that won't attract people to keep playing the game for very long (how long could it take to fully upgrade a plane that can't manage to keep up with the F-22s and 2u-47s of the game anyway). And if they twist the competitive balance too much to justify it, then it destroys the balance and meaning in the game design.
This isn't a Strangereal thing, this is a real-life thing. With tensions between Japan and China as they are, Strangereal didn't feature many Chinese aircraft either simply because Ace Combat is a Japanese series.
@Tornado Yes, the most likely cause of its disappearance since 2011 is that Bandai Namco lost licensing rights with Panavia. We don't have any confirmation, though.
No im just saying if they dont want to represent China is ANY way in their games then Strangereal would be a better option since there is no China or any real life countries. It also fixes the problem with some countries being offended by War games as usually one nation is always the antagonist.
The issue with Chinese planes has little to do with Japanese/Chinese relations. It has mostly to do with the lack of definitive Chinese planes, and the lack of information on others. China is still a relativley closed society. I would note that much of the information on the J-20 is speculation and unconfirmed rumor. Much the same can be said of the J-31. China is itself not likely to be willing to share much on the planes either, given their secrecy on them, so they may not be willing to license them. It's not like in the US where there is a big campaign to get public support of some military project, so they show off the outer design and give glimpses into what it can do. China on the other hand is looking to flex its muscle, so it gives wide platitudes by claiming their newest projects to be blanketly the same or better than a foreign competitor (usually the F-22 and F-35). Given that, PA's only option would therefore become to create some facsimile of them, change the name and a little of the design to get away with it, while making it clear that was their point. Of course, that would likely create a backlask too, so unless they can do so legally they probably won't attempt anything relating to the J-20 or J-31. I'd say they'd need a few more years, once the two get closer to real production, before enough real information is out there for them to be willingly licensed. And, as I said, previous military planes from China have not been very good, hence they've often used Russian planes.
I don´t think the point comes from China´s policy on keeping everything secret. Just look at Battlefield. Battlefield 2 and 4 features a long list of chinese military weaponry Including the J-20 and the one that is a copy from the Eurofighter. So I think it is mainly because of their unfriendly relation they have. If you have any doubt just google what the japanese did in WWII
I'm not saying theres isn't bad blood between Japan and China. But I wouldn't exactly use Battlefield as a standard of aeronautical expertise either. They basically used the same stats as the F-22 and pasted them on a J-20 image. There is little frame of reference of performance applied. Now, I don't dare say Ace Combat is exactly percise in their rendering of their aircraft and the relative performance, but their fidelity to the source product has been better. Furthermore, as the main antagonist of the game, there was little choice but to add Chinese weapon systems, so they had a much greater incentive to pursue that avenue. And again, you're talking about Electronic Arts, one of the biggest companies in the industry. Their resoruces to secure a license and/or fight legal battles far and away outstrip PA and Bandai Namco.
I'd also add that it's not as though PA has before now included a diverse set of aircraft. Traditionally all their planes were either American, Russian, or German. They didn't even have any Japanese planes, save the F-2, until recently. So again, I don't think this boils down to the matter of China/Japan relations. It's just a matter of China being relatively new to the air combat space in terms of original creation, and the fact that there isn't a whole lot of frame of reference to go by. The F-22 is the latest great plane from the US, the Typhoon is the latest great plane from Europe, the T-50 is the latest great plane from Russia - the J-31 and J-20 are just new, from a country that hasn't exactly been known for its air power with its own designs, despite its pressence on the world stage and considered militray strength.
To put it another way, it is like expecting Chinese cars to be featured prominently in a Forza or Gran Turismo game.
Well I'm gonna remain hopeful for Chinese planes in spite of the odds.
Honestly the lack of concrete data probably isn't that big of an issue. We know relatively little about the PAK-FA, and more importantly we have several prototype aircraft and even aircraft like the FB-22 which never even got off the drawing board. Obviously very little was known about them but PA was still able to put a relatively realistic and (more importantly) believable representation of the aircraft into the game.
The main reason I'd like to see Chinese planes in Ace Combat is because, in my opinion, the majority of well-known, unique aircraft have already made their way into Ace Combat at one point or another. Most Chinese aircraft are actually fairly unique, barring the early ones like the J-7 and J-11. It would just be nice to see some variety.
But regardless of whatever the actual reason may be, I think we can all agree Chinese aircraft aren't coming to Ace Combat any time soon.
Personally I prefer real aircraft or PA originals.
On the topic of getting Chinese planes licensed, I've noticed that while, either in the credits or in the opening screens of each game, it'll list all the aircraft and the companies that their licensed from, but not once have I seen anything related to the Russian planes. Does PA actually license them and just not list them or do the Russian companies not care? I'm curious.
Actually, it doesn't list everything. I've never seen Mitsubishi, and AFAIK the F-2 is licensed by Mitsubishi. But it may be within Lockheed, as Eurofighter only includes one plane too, and it's always listed. I don't know, but I hope the Russian planes are licensed so the Yellows can always fly the Su-37. I wouldn't mind seeing them in X-02s, though xD
I'd love flying aircraft from the Korean and Vietnam wars, when pilots really flew their planes. Even late WW2, War Thunder style (Me-162, P-80, MiG-9, etc.). But of course, these planes wouldn't fit in Infinity unless we could specify which eras are allowed. I can only imagine how cool it'd be to go for an F-104 instead of an F-15.
I would actually like to see LESS real aircraft and more fictional ones. F-4 MUST go once and for all. No one seriously uses it in this era. For fictional ones, gimme Wyvern and XFA-27. That's all pretty much. No Vietnam Era aircraft thank you.
Leadblast wrote: I would actually like to see LESS real aircraft and more fictional ones. F-4 MUST go once and for all. No one seriously uses it in this era. For fictional ones, gimme Wyvern and XFA-27. That's all pretty much. No Vietnam Era aircraft thank you.
Turkey and Iran actually still use F-4s. But I'd like to see all the fictional planes come back from the PSP games (XFA-24, YR-99, etc)
Come on guys, try to be realist. I don`t think that they will ever add the Super sabre, tunderchief and much less likely the Super tucano as it is a turboprop plane I think. They might add the Draken and some special versions of known planes as they did in AC5 or something like that.
THE Hawk from AC5. Fictional planes from PSP series. Updated variants of the in-game planes like the Gripen NG, F-16V, A-10C, MiG-29K, MiG-35, Su-30SM2, and others. ADA-01 should be fine tuned and made available in future games. That plane looks nice.
As far as I concerned,the only thing about the possibilities of Chinese planes in AC is the copyrights of them.If PA can get copyrights of J-10,J-20 and J-31 from Chengdu and Shenyang，that'll be magnificent.But sadly is,that's almost impossible.
Besides,how about some sixth generation fighters? Boeing's F/A-XX for instance?