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    • The first ace to be able to use other weapons than the sidewinder lol. Joke aside, he's an overrated character because he appeared in two games, one of them mentioned his abilities to rival the entire ISAF air force. Though there are larger countries than ISAF, namely the Allied Forces in Belkan War and Emmeria in the Anean continental war.

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    • @114.124.24.170 ISAF is not one country. It's an alliance of numerous countries all over Usea.

      @172.1.44.57 Mobius 1 was latched onto by the Ace Combat community for reasons I don't think anyone can really explain. Maybe it was because he was the first ace on the PlayStation 2 platform, where the games transformed from their PS1 roots and where the majority of people who enjoy the series started out. Mobius 1 is as far back as most of us can go, so it's a case of "You never forget your first Doctor" from Doctor Who. You never forget your first Ace, and Mobius 1 is that person for a lot of people.

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    • In addition to what Sly says, as an Ace he is probably the one in-game setup to be the "best". The F-22 is his signature plane. Most other player-characters have much earlier planes in the tree [Cipher's F-15, Blaze's F-14 (Wardog and Razgriz)]. Even if as a player you can pick a different plane or whatnot, in-story most of the time the palyer-character is set to go through it all with that one plane. I'd say Scarface is the exception since they flew Su-35s, but that gets into the general problem that Ace Combat's own history of designation on the Sukhoi series has been a little wonky at times so I know some who aren't that into things easily mix up the various Sukhois of that general design (Su-35, Su-27, Su-37, to say nothing of the in-line variants of the 27 and 35). Even then, the F-22 and Su-35/37 are of the same generation, with the 22 having stealth, which of course is part of the dogma that stealh beats non-stealth. 

      Furthermore, in terms of his skills, the only character to receive more veneration in-game may be Blaze and the Wardog squad. Mobius was a single plane flight that early on matched the supposedly superior in skill and equipment Yellow Squad toe-to-toe. Rose fear amongst an enemy that had counquered the continent, and was so powerful/infamous that they made an entire squad just for him to go into battle with at the end of the game. Then for Katina, he's deemed solo more effective than an entire military apparatus and gets deployed to wipe out remnants with only an AWACS and refueling plane. In terms of in-game lore, the only other lead to get similar acclaim was Blaze, whose flight was so apparenlty overwhelmingly great that they were considered both ghosts and demons who had to have thier true identities covered up after the war. But he was part of a squad, so the acclaim and credit gets diffused amongst the other squad members. Due to the mercenary status of the lead in other games like 02 and Zero, and the general lack of thrill assigned to the player-character in 06, they don't get much acclaim as their very nature as pilots is somewhat shrouded in mystery. They have to be treated with a little more of a subdued pressence as a matter of telling their story, so they don't fully get the "our country's heroes" treatment. In 06 the story is so diffused and off-center focus that the player character, despite getting similar radio-chatter treatment, never really stands out so I expect players just never had anything to latch onto.

      Of course, it doesn't help that Scarface isn't particulary featured in many games after-the-fact. I don't think there's been a game since AC:04 that hasn't had some mention of Mobius - be it his special mission in 5, the B7R dogfight with him in Zero, or just his livery as one of the toughest or last unlocks in the game. Blaze and the Wardog/Razgriz are probably a little closer to Mobius right now, but not at all the same level despite being in almost every game since 05 as a plane/skin. Scarface hardly makes appearances in other titles, so the limited exposure 02 has as an old title is made that much worse. That Scarface is as popular as it is shows something though, because it's one of the upper echelon right now. 

      Went on a bit there, but basically there are numerous factors that go into why Mobius 1 is so venerated by the Ace Combat community. Some of it is just luck of the draw - the player-character of the first interation of the series on the best-selling console of all time - and some of it is the construct of the game makers. 

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    • they all say that Mobius 1 is special, because it is in the game itself that the allies acclaim him, and the enemies fear him; but I say that it is not anything special, however, because the skills of the protagonists is always that, although in the other games do not speak of the ability of a single character but a whole squadron, only Ace Combat X for psp, they speak of the ability of the protagonist over Mobius 1,and sometimes even Blaze, dropping others. If I tell the truth, this depresses me, I wish that in the future ace combat there was more focus on all the characters and their history, and not only speak of skills (excluding Electrosphere which is pretty much the only one that focuses slightly more on the characters). In Japanese RPGs, they not only speak of the strength of the characters but also of their child history and their future, and this would make Ace Combat game much more exciting in terms of plot. you agree or not?

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    • Without the story-driven elements in Shattered Skies, Mobius 1 is just the same legend as Scarface, a pro who just flies out shooting everyone stupid enough to get into his plane's line of fire. In AC04, the story enforces Mobius 1 as a flying destructive beast of a legend who has destroyed sky slasher Stonehenge, rival devil Yellows, and Judgment Day's weapon Megalith. Since then, the formula is kept being used as evident in subsequent games, 5, Zero, 6, X, X2, and 2's remake 3D.

      Thus, like Sly said, being first is a bonus for something.

      Personally, I prefer Razgriz the most.

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    • SlyCooperFan1 wrote:
      @114.124.24.170 ISAF is not one country. It's an alliance of numerous countries all over Usea.

      @172.1.44.57 Mobius 1 was latched onto by the Ace Combat community for reasons I don't think anyone can really explain. Maybe it was because he was the first ace on the PlayStation 2 platform, where the games transformed from their PS1 roots and where the majority of people who enjoy the series started out. Mobius 1 is as far back as most of us can go, so it's a case of "You never forget your first Doctor" from Doctor Who. You never forget your first Ace, and Mobius 1 is that person for a lot of people.

      Bingo. I'm sure if AC4 was my first game I'd say Mobius 1 was the best ace, but instead AC5 was my first.

      Same reason why you see plenty of people say Bishop from Assault Horizon is their favorite ace, because that was their first game.

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    • But not everyone started their Ace Combat experience with AC04, still Mobius receive the status of the "god level" ace. And why is that?

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    • I must say that when I realized that Cipher was a Mercenary (Yeah, it took me a while and it was my first Ace combat game) some of the magic about that character went away. It`s not the same case with Wardog, Garuda or Mobius, as they were part of their country air force. So that plus the fact that he was alone (the friendlies never help that much) and that the producers gave him an appeareance in the next games may be the reasons why Mobius 1 is so famous.

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    • Super-Hornet-Fan is correct. Phoenix, Nemo (to an extent), Cipher, and Reaper are all mercenaries. They're simply hired to do their best. But all of the others are fighting for their country's air force, and Mobius 1 was really the only one who did everything solo in that regard. It wasn't about Blaze, it was about the Razgriz Squadron; it wasn't about Colonel Bishop (except at times), it was about Warwolf Squadron and the whole task force; it wasn't about Talisman, it was about Garuda Team and the Emmerian angels. But it was about Mobius 1.

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    • Mobius 1 is just another silent protagonist. What made him great was not him, but the people around him. Unlike other aces, Mobius have a lot of people to tell his story like Sky Eye, other ISAF Pilots, etc. But i think what made him really great are his enemies. You are measured by how good is your enemies, and mobius have the greatest enemies of the series like the "invincible" AEGIR Fleet, Yellow Squadron, Stonehenge and Megalith

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    • DRosencraft wrote:
      In addition to what Sly says, as an Ace he is probably the one in-game setup to be the "best". The F-22 is his signature plane. Most other player-characters have much earlier planes in the tree [Cipher's F-15, Blaze's F-14 (Wardog and Razgriz)]. Even if as a player you can pick a different plane or whatnot, in-story most of the time the palyer-character is set to go through it all with that one plane. I'd say Scarface is the exception since they flew Su-35s, but that gets into the general problem that Ace Combat's own history of designation on the Sukhoi series has been a little wonky at times so I know some who aren't that into things easily mix up the various Sukhois of that general design (Su-35, Su-27, Su-37, to say nothing of the in-line variants of the 27 and 35). Even then, the F-22 and Su-35/37 are of the same generation, with the 22 having stealth, which of course is part of the dogma that stealh beats non-stealth. 

      in that sense sure, but tech doesn't always wins. unless there is a huge Tech gap between the two planes, like early in the Korean war, sometimes pilot skill would be the deciding factor here. 

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